SF MoMA Thomas Hawk Simon Blint (Photography is not a crime 2008)
20091219 at 05:57 FROM: The Archives 2008
A re-post (with minor improvements) of an “incident” overview in the days imnediately following, that tracked some of the stories and conversations from August 8, for about a week. Right before SF MoMA responded, I watched my stats closely and reassured others that some sort of statement from the Instutution was forthcoming. SF MoMA response was the 13th, and things pretty much settled down by the 15th. Added a few FriendFeed embeds, and tried to maximize readability. The CSS colors match the photos by complete coincidence.
UPDATE: See end for SF MOMA Response and others’ reactions
Mr. Hawk recounted the events of Friday, August 8, 2008 on his blog

Recently I blogged about my excitement regarding the San Francisco MOMA’s decision to begin allowing photography in their permanent collection after years of maintaining a closed no photography policy. Directly because of this change in policy, I decided to purchase a family membership in order to support the museum, both with my artistic energy and financially. I was excited to begin spending regular time exploring and documenting the museum….
After purchasing my family membership and visiting the museum today I was forcibly thrown out of the museum by two museum security guards at the direction of the Director of Visitor Relations Simon Blint…
FriendFeed had three very impassioned conversations:
1. Thomas Hawk’s FriendFeed discussion
Simon Blint, Director of Visitor Relations at the SF MOMA, Yeah You [expletive elided] Photography is Not a Crime
2. Jeremiah Owyang’s FriendFeed discussion
Thomas Hawk’s skewering of Simon Blint: Thomas is a community leader (and photo site CEO) he needs to wield his power with responsibility. Tagging Simon Blint and “*sshole” has damaged his online reputation for years on end, and will likely impact job screenings.
3. Cyndy’s FriendFeed discussion
When FriendFeed Creates a Mob
SFist covered the incident (thanks, Brock!)
…Hawk talked to Blint who (allegedly) told him “he did not care” and that he needed to “protect” his employees — employees that might appear in my photographs.” Hawk goes on to say, “I was not shooting with a tripod. I was not shooting with a flash.”
Was Blint, in fact, being an *sshole? Was Hawk putting up a pissy fight, which led to his ejection? We don’t know yet. But we think banning of any type of photography is inane, especially if you work in the arts.
But what say you? Should photographers be subject to this kind of harassment? Or does Blint deserve a serious tongue lashing?
BoingBoing didn’t miss the story
Robbo sez, “Thomas Hawk was forcibly removed from the San Francisco MOMA by two security guards at the direction of the over-zealous Simon Blint, Director of Visitor Relations. How ironic is that? Why? Taking photos in the atrium. SF MOMA policy on this? Their own web site specifically allows photography in the atrium. Hawk had also previously confirmed this personally with Thea Stein in the Marketing and Communications Department of the museum…
Consumerist covered it as well
Despite What Their Website Says, Taking Pictures In San Francisco’s Museum Of Modern Art Is Cause For Ejection
The Guardian covered it
Oh dear — it crossed the pond. Unexpected, to say the least.
The power of the Hawk is a problem for SF-MoMA
Throwing the esteemed Thomas Hawk out on his ear is not the way to win friends and influence people
It was the top story on Digg.com on Saturday
Mona made me break my Digg prohibition, in place since back in the days before Mr Baby Man was banned, in the “de-css” era I think. Digg started some 6-7 A.G. I think. A.G. is [after Google] and B.F. is [before Facebook] of course.
Takeaways
- SF MoMA is apparently clarifying its policies, not re-banning photography
- Blog & “web2.0” commentators are opinionated
- Blog commenters are lazy
- You can’t win: online activism is ineffectual, or a mob
- Character assassins often don’t disclose personal motivations (profit motives)
- Allegations of pseudonyms being a cowardly shield, easily falsifiable here
- Allegations of perversity, child abuse and privacy violations still pervade
- Even the least noisy conversations have a very wide difference of opinion
- Tendency is subjectivity, not objectivity; big picture reduced to a thousand tiny icons
- Definitions of public v. private space, rights and violations, still an issue
- If Photography is a privacy violation, why is there wide acceptance of surveillance cameras?
But wait, that’s not all! Flickr had a dscussion underneath the above photo and this one too. Bert P. Krages II, Attorney at Law, on legal issues around photography: The Photographer’s Right
Disclaimer and some SFist comments of mine:
Disclaimer:
I’ve concluded that I was confused as to whether “galleries” includes the permanent collection, or refers to the “special exhibits.” My initial impression was that the change in policy would allow for photography of the stuff that’s owned outright by the SF MoMA. Apologies for any confusion, and perhaps this would be a point of clarification, i.e. if photography of any “exhibited” piece is disallowed, say so. Perhaps discuss stairs, hallways, elevated walkways, etc., as these are not “galleries,” may not be part of the “atrium” and yet provide unique vantage points from which to take photos (of the architecture.)
“Director of visitor relations” is a poor match for his behavior. He should apologize, resign, or try to otherwise repair the situation. Since it’s a PR-related job, he seems uniquely unfit and uneducated about the causes and effects of negative PR. He’ll probably have a “rich learning experience” though.
dianachen and ScribeGuy, I’m glad you signed up to SFist just to comment about the incident. It’s too bad Blint or other SF MoMA person hasn’t spoken up. So, thanks for giving your opinions. Someone else who has worked with Blint did not have kind things to say. I find the less agreeable sites engage in character assassination on both sides. Perhaps you aren’t finding the best conversations.
RobinSF, you are a piece of work. Photography w/o flash is allowed in the permanent collection, atrium is OK always, if you use a flash in the atrium it must be a hand held point-and-shoot. While the policy is imprecise and ambiguous, you manage to completely miss the intent. Can YOU read? Do YOU know flash photography can damage the pieces? Do you seriously think they are mandating the use of a flash in the atrium? Does the point-and-shoot restriction refer to the Atrium, or the use of flash? Go ahead, rant some more, it’s entertaining.
UPDATE: Mr. Hawk added another post and photo with additional commentary on this matter…
More on the Whole Simon Blint Fiasco
Mr. Hawk’s second FriendFeed discussion is here.
UPDATE: Steve Hodson of WinExtra chimes in…
No Offence Thomas Hawk But You’re Coming Late To The Party
Steve’s FriendFeed discussion is here.
Me: “Indeed, I missed your July post. However, “late to the party” I feel is inaccurate. Thomas Hawk wrote in the first person, and that of course is the best way to justify attention-grabbing rhetoric. In the end, many things conspired to make this story “pop.” Don’t feel bad, Steve! P.S. I like your moxie!”
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UPDATE: Duncan Riley says…
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Duncan’s FriendFeed discussion is here.
UPDATE: Carlos Miller, a Miami photographer, has a personal interest in this topic.
Hawk, in fact, was one of the bloggers who not only wrote about my arrest last year, but also contacted the Miami Police Department seeking more information, including obtaining and posting the arrest report which was filled with contradictions.
UPDATE: Simon Reed defends Simon Blint (peppered with ad hominem attacks on Mr. Hawk)
Imagine going in to work one day, putting in your time, and coming home to find yourself the target of a massive internet slime campaign. This is the current situation faced by Simon Blint, head of visitor services at the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art.
UPDATE: Hutch Carpenter expands on Cyndy’s “mob mentality” theme
Applying Circuit Breakers to a Social Media Mob Mentality
Cyndy Aleo-Carreira has a good post out today, When FriendFeed Creates a Mob
UPDATE: Mona N. couldn’t stand the suspense and actually picked up a phone.
Meanwhile, in other Non-Gmail Related News.. I Called SF MOMA
Mona’s FriendFeed discussion is here.
UPDATE: SF MoMA Responds:
UPDATE: Justin Korn reported on the SF MoMA response
As Justin said, there’s a lively FriendFeed discussion on the response here.
UPDATE: Duncan Riley of the Inquisitr has more to say: State of Fear
…I don’t want to dwell on the points of the case, but the whole thing raises something far more concerning for society as a whole: that today we live in a state of fear. A fear that a person taking pictures is a pervert, a pedophile or even a terrorist…
UPDATE: Candace Holly also has this: 4 Ways to Better Handle the Public
…there are ways to handle a situation like that without making a public spectacle of it. Whether they were in the wrong or not doesn’t matter at this point. Four key things were not handled well at all…
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UPDATE: Destiny from 10 Zen Monkeys: Thomas Hawk Versus Rent-a-cops
Related FriendFeed discussion is here.
…Is there a new controversy over photography itself — and the blogger at the center of the issue? And has Friday’s incident snowballed into a larger debate about technology, privacy, and the conduct of security guards?…
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